Peru - the lifer I didn't know I had!

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5 years 1 month ago #77679 by nkgray
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Just goes to show that you must really study in detail all photos that you take. This one I took just to illustrate what the Ite Wetlands looked like. In one of my reports I mentioned that I had seen only 2 species of duck. Well here is No.3, the Andean Duck- one of the stiff-tailed ducks, same genus and very similar to the Maccoa Duck.

The first photo shows the Andean ducks circled. The second a close-up, hardly a great image, but I'm sure you'll agree good enough for ID of the only duck of this genus within several hundred kilometres.





On the afternoon I left Moquegua for the drive back through the Atacama to Tacna on the Pan-American Highway and on across the border to Arica and the flight back to Santiago...



...I picked up the large (compared to our Hadeda) Black-faced Ibis in a field on the banks of the Moquegua River.






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5 years 1 month ago #77736 by mossie
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Nice one. I'm embarressed to say how many lifers I have seen after the fact on my camera. <!-- s:oops: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_redface.gif" alt=":oops:" title="Embarassed" /><!-- s:oops: -->

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5 years 1 month ago #77743 by Josey
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Me too! <!-- s:banghead: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/banghead.gif" alt=":banghead:" title="Frustration" /><!-- s:banghead: -->

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5 years 1 month ago #77748 by John Young
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But did you see it? Or did the camera see it. I've often pondered this predicament of whether to tick a bird or not if I didn't get a reasonable view of the bird with my own eyes (or through bins). Would be interested to see what others have to say about this.
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5 years 1 month ago #77802 by Margaret
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Interesting question Dave. My position is simple. Glasses, binoculars, and cameras are an extension of the body. (That is the only value it has). Therefore I use them to see birds, but even go further. I use the outputs (pictures) to ask other birders to help to see (identify).

Without this argument and moral position I will be doomed to very few species. Michael

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5 years 1 month ago #77814 by Ian_H
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I think if you took the photo you can tick the bird <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: -->
Digital photography has really opened up another side of birding, it has generated a lot more interest in birding, which is a great thing!

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5 years 1 month ago #77817 by mossie
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These days I find it easier to carry a 7D with a 400mm f5.6L prime, then I do to carry a bird book and bino's. The reason being, is that if it is an easy bird to ID, I don't have to think much about it, or use a guide book... I know most of them by heart. But when you see juveniles, or non-breeding birds, the guide books are quite useless for these species, or you need several references plus the text and a 100 web photographs and calls to be sure... by the time you have consulted any of that stuff, the bird is long gone. So I take pictures and keep the reference library at home. I always know what I think I saw, but I have on occasion realised that I have been wrong with some snap ID's, and that is the way I learn from my mistakes, by going back to photos. If I ever plan to atlas (when the kids grow up and leave home <!-- s:evil: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_evil.gif" alt=":evil:" title="Evil or Very Mad" /><!-- s:evil: --> ) I think this is the most reliable approach to ensure that you have accurate data.

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5 years 1 month ago #77818 by nkgray
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I am like Mossie in this respect. I actually don't have binos with me here in South America. There is only so much a 20kg weight allowance lets one bring on a plane.

I got my first White-cheeked Pintail near Santiago by photographing a section of wetland seething with around 1,000 ducks and coots. A 300mm lens with x2 extender does not lend itself to being used as "pseudo-binos" so it is easier to photograph and study the detail at leisure later and concentrate on the things that you can ID and photograph more easily. In the case of the Pintail it was a single bird in that 1,000+

I suppose there is a grey area where the photo is not taken specifically for ID purposes, but I routinely check through every image I take. The over-riding principle though is that there must be no doubt about the ID to chalk up a lifer. In this case it is the only stiff-tailed duck recorded in the region. Had I been in southern Chile not southern Peru there are two very similar stiff-tailed ducks and I'd be sitting now regretting that I had not spent long enough IDing in the field.

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5 years 1 month ago #77821 by John Young
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Some interesting viewpoints. I am not questioning the use of an image to ID a bird. in fact today's birder has probably got a longer life list aided by digital photography and use of forums to obtain an ID when back from the field. I will often take shots of distant birds to enable zooming in to get an idea as to what it is. But here I'm saying to myself that I'm seeing the bird but unsure of what it is.

My original question stems from an incident of mine some time back when I saw distant views of SA Shelduck and took some pics. When I got home, I later found a single Maccoa Duck on the fringe of the image which I was not aiming my lens at, thus in my mind I did not "see" it, thus did not tick it. Hence I was curious to find out what others do in such predicaments.

I suppose when it comes to listing, each to their own. Some, (like Mark Tittley I believe) only lists those that he has pics of. Others will only list their garden birds if at least one toe is within the property. Whereas here I list those that I can see in and from my garden so have included arbs like Pink-backed pelican flying over.

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5 years 1 month ago #77873 by docandy
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A simple way of getting your bins onto a plane without getting them weighed is to wear them around your neck. You can always add them to your hand luggage later! You may look like a bit of a tourist but if you use heavy Zeiss like me it certainly helps. :D
No weight limit for passangers as yet but it may be coming!

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