Bees - Birding log

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6 years 1 month ago #57919 by Ranger Piet
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Morning all,

after years of barbets and starlings enjoyiing my birding log, it has now been taken over by a swarm of bees.
I love the fact that i have a bees nest in my garden but i do have 2 small kids and 2 friends that are alergic to bees.

Any suggestions, or recommendation of someone that can remove them without killing them

many thanks

Antony

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6 years 1 month ago #57928 by mossie
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Hi Antony

I am in a similar boat, with a bee hive and two small kids.

You can do two things:

1) Hire a bee removal expert. If it is in a log, they are very skilled at removing the entire log with the hive inside (at night when the bees are calm and at home), and relocating it in another place, where they can use the colony as a pollination service and to harvest honey. By the time the guy reached our house at 10pm, he had about 10 hives in the back of his bakkie, five of which were complete logs.

2) If the bees are calm and non-threatening, leave it as is.

Our experience is as follows: Swarm 1. We had a hive move in under a water feature rock (too heavy to lift), my mother and wife panicked (because of the kids) and called a bee removal expert, who could not get them out and simply fumigated them at night. (It was very sad to see a whole swarm destroyed) :( . Swarm 2: The next year, a new hive arrived. It was quite a large hive, based on the traffic of 1 bee entering or leaving every second. Despite this, they seemed to be very calm and happy bees, and there were no incidents the whole year. Granted, we did follow a few general rules of “bee sense”, in other words, don’t mow the lawn by the entrance of the hive in the midday sun in summer, if they appear to swarm, or get agitated, stay indoors etc. At night you could not leave lights on and windows open, or the bees lose their sense of direction and land up in the house, buzzing around the light fittings. <!-- s:yes: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/yes.gif" alt=":yes:" title="Yes" /><!-- s:yes: --> Towards the end of the season, I think the hive ran out of food in our area, and simply pushed off on their own accord. Swarm 3: This spring, another swarm moved into the same hive location, and seem to be happy. Fortunately it is a smaller swarm, and for the most part, you would hardly notice that they are there, and I have decided to just leave them as is... and hope it will not end badly. <!-- s:flamed: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/flamed.gif" alt=":flamed:" title="Flaming" /><!-- s:flamed: -->

On the positive side, we regularly see lesser honeyguide working its way around the garden with intent, and occasionally a visit from greater HG. <!-- s:twisted: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_twisted.gif" alt=":twisted:" title="Twisted Evil" /><!-- s:twisted: -->

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Mossie

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6 years 1 month ago #57950 by Josey
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We had a similar incident with the barbets vacating and bees taking up residence. Our bees must have been a bit fussy as they did not stay for very long. So if your bees have just moved in maybe wait a bit to see what they decide before taking any eviction action;-)

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6 years 1 month ago #58312 by arty
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Hi
Having had a similar incident last year here is some advice.
1. It is illegal to keep a swarm of bees in a built up area[my neighbor reported me, cost me 750.00 fine from metro council]
2. found some one on the net.[look under bee keepers]
3. they removed the hive which they said was over 80000 bees. cost 750.00
4 if you leave the hive to long it gets to big and can lead to serious incidents of swarming especially if you have a pool.
5.thought it was great to have a hive in my garden as it attracted so many different birds, but it is dangerous unfortunately.

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6 years 1 month ago #58314 by mossie
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What does Metro define as keeping bees? If they move in on their own, are they being "kept"? or are they specifically referring to participating in bee keeping and honey harvesting from a purpose built hive within an urban area?

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6 years 1 month ago #58315 by arty
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from what i understood as soon as u realize you have a swarm you must have it removed. i live the erkuhleni metro,maybe your rules are different

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6 years 1 month ago #58360 by Ranger Piet
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Found a guy who for R650 is coming to remove the bees, think he sells the bees to a farmer in Midrand area.

Have never actually seen a Honeyguide, would have been great to see one in the garden. I am spending two days in Zimbabwe, Harare and the last two times have managed a 3 hour guided walk in Miombo Woodland. Planning to do it again this trip (i have a great job), guide knows i'm on the look out for Honeyguides, got a brief look at a White-breasted Cockooshrike last time (only because the guide told me it was one), hoping for a good sighting.

Guys now i need some serious help,
My wife LOVES presents and i'm not a present person.
I was using my wifes computer this weekend and acidently saw she has booked me on a Pelagic trip for Christmas while we are in Betty bay this Christmas :D have never been on one and am very excited.
But now i'm under serious presure to find something decent for her,
any suggestions would be most welcome

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6 years 1 month ago #58364 by mossie
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This is turning out to be an interesting thread :)

Anthony, I guess if you have two kids and you never got her anything after either of the kids were born, I reckon now is the time for jewelery. A pair of earings, one for each child, which I guess can also double up as a Christmas present <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->

Regarding Warren's post, I think Erkuruleni have not really thought things through here. If you have food for bees in urban area's (e.g. trees and floweres), then you will inevitibly have bees trying to settle near a food source. Its like trying to stop common mynahs from colonizing an urban area. It ain't gonna happen. What you need is an evaluative policy, that relies on the discretion of individuals who are able to asses the risk and decide if they are happy with it or not with the threat to life.

Regarding Warrens neighbor, now is the time to spray his house with bees wax, and see how he reacts to the little striped squatters moving in everywhere <!-- s:twisted: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_twisted.gif" alt=":twisted:" title="Twisted Evil" /><!-- s:twisted: -->

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6 years 1 month ago #58468 by waldens@faerieglen
waldens@faerieglen replied the topic: Re: Bees - Birding log
It's a pity that neighbours can be so vindictive, it makes things very unpleasant.
Sometimes there are diseased bees in the nest, i o w they are infested with some sort of virus, then the whole colony has to be destroyed. We had a nest removed a few years ago, and fortunately the bees were disease free, and re-located to a hive on somebody's farm.
Re presents, either a day at a spa, for some serious pampering, if she likes that type of treatment, or jewellery, but buy the "real" thing, not paste :P

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