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5 years 9 months ago #66958 by Doug
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I did some reading. Adult Whalbergs - flight feathers on upper wing unbarred. So this, according to raptors of the world cannot be a Whalbergs.

Here is a pic of adult Steppe from Raptors of the world.


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5 years 9 months ago #66959 by Doug
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And here is Whalbergs showing unbarred flight feathers on upper wing.


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5 years 9 months ago #66961 by waldens@faerieglen
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Thanks Doug et al - what do you think about the Juvenile African Hawk Eagle idea?
I would love it to be Steppe, but I'm not sure about the gape.

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5 years 9 months ago #66967 by Doug
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It's not a juvenile or all of the coverts on the upper wing would show buff tips and give a distinct spotted pattern. This bird I think pretty close to being an adult. Also with such detail (it's a beautiful shot) you should be able to see the facial skin if it was a harrier-hawk. Definitely not a harrier-hawk.


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5 years 9 months ago #66968 by Doug
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Also legs are feathered too the toes. That also rules out a Harrier-hawk.


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5 years 9 months ago #66970 by gordon
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Just to throw another opinion into the mix...
Slightly barred tail, dark plumage, shape of nostril as well as the gape could also point to an intermediate plumage dark phase Tawny Eagle.

We are looking at a nice detailed close up of the bird so the barring on the tail might look bolder than normal ...

Some phases of Tawny do have barring...

My two cents worth...

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5 years 9 months ago #66972 by Doug
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Oh by the way... Many raptor experts have told me over the years...

IGNORE gape extension. It varies based on viewing angle so already that makes it completely unreliable.

Also raptors of the world says flight features of Steppe Eagle are
"long broad wings almost parallel edged and square ended" - beware of confusion with the rectangular wings of Whalbergs.

On all plumages, pale grey patch in primaries on upper wing almost always large and obvious (seen in this pic)

Also all flight feathers have 7-8 blackish bars.

It also says pale back and tail varies from prominent to insignificant.

For Whalbergs, these are the flight features.

From above looks uniformly dark brown.

For me... This is a Steppe?




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5 years 9 months ago #67000 by waldens@faerieglen
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Doug, I meant African Hawk Eagle, not Harrier Hawk :D
I was hoping you'd go for Steppe Eagle, it makes sense to us as well.
We have had so much trouble with a bird that has such obvious features, it's enough to drive us to drink. <!-- s:banghead: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/banghead.gif" alt=":banghead:" title="Frustration" /><!-- s:banghead: -->

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5 years 9 months ago #67003 by Trevor Hardaker
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Surely the tail of this bird is too long proportionately to the rest of the bird to consider one of the larger [i:qet38wlz]Aquilas[/i:qet38wlz]...? And nobody has even mentioned that this bird is dark above and pale below, a fairly significant plumage feature when trying to assign it to species level I would've thought...

With those features and the combination of heavily barred tail and barred flight feathers with paler bases to the primaries showing on the upperwing, there is only one possible candidate to my mind and it is certainly not an adult bird...

I'm sure you can all now work out what I believe this bird is... <!-- s:hypnodisk: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/hypnodisk.gif" alt=":hypnodisk:" title="Hypnotised" /><!-- s:hypnodisk: --> But use the features visible in the photo and then see if you come to the same conclusion or not...

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5 years 9 months ago #67007 by Doug
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Penny drop!!!! Young African Hawk-eagle :)


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