Help the Grey Heron id her friends

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8 years 9 months ago #10449 by Doug
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Hi Grey Heron.

I would say the pipit is probably Long-billed. Breast markings are too faint for African and also african has a yellowish bill base. This looks pinkish.

The Heavily marked bird is a Dusky Lark. I think the fact that the image is overexposed may make the bird look a lot lighter than it actually is.

With regards the blue smudge, are you sure it is not an enebriated Smurf who resorted to alcohol after trying to identify the same birds as you? I agree with Gordon that the Smurf is probably looking at the back end of a Marico Flycatcher.

As for your threat of more photos, keep them coming. That is what makes this site so great is the help we all collectively give the forum assisting with ID. And we all learn in the process. After all I did not realise that Smurfs had such an appetite for Straw Rum.

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8 years 9 months ago #10451 by Doug
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I just had another thought on the blue smudge... I know we are all supposed to be colour blind in the modern world but unfortunately I am still able to tell the difference between Blue and Purple. I had thought of a Barney soft toy thrown out of the window in a particularly violet "Are we there yet?" tantrum. Barney it is not.

How about moldy cheese? I did once loose a cheese sandwhich at Pilansberg sometime in 2008.

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8 years 9 months ago #10452 by Grey Heron
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Okay I don't know if this is a tough one, I'll post the tough one tomorrow. I think this is an Ayres' Haawk Eagle, but I can't be sure. I took this pic in Northern Kruger (Punda Maria to be exact) in late January 2008. Am I right or way of the mark <!-- s:sonar: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/sonar.gif" alt=":sonar:" title="Sonar" /><!-- s:sonar: -->

Good luck!

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8 years 9 months ago #10454 by Doug
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Now we have a challenge here. A young raptor.....

Firstly I would discount both Hawk-eagle. My reasoning is this.....
Both juveniles have tawny breast not brown with no streaks and that will slowly transform for white with streaks. Also both birds would have a white throat. This throat is way to dark for a Hawk-eagle.

The question is what is it?

Can rule out all buzzards - legs feathered to toes

The hint of white upper breast comming through might suggest Fish-eagle but the bill etc is way to small and the giss just wrong.

Also none of Kruger's large brown eagles have streaking on the chest in any phase or age.

This is a trickier one.

It looks like it would have to be one of the Hawk-eagle none the less as I work through a few books.
In all brown plumages, Ayer's Hawk-eagle should have down onto the leggings which this does not seem to do.

I would maybe go with young African Hawk-eagle but I am not totally happy with that verdict 100% without seing tale and/or underwing.

Streaking reminds me very much of first year Steppe Buzzard but feathered legs creates a problem there.

Lets see what others say.

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8 years 9 months ago #10458 by nkgray
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Doug,

I'm sitting here in my tent in the DRC with no reference other than Sinclair & Ryan (no use for the task at hand) and can honestly say that I've never seen anything like this juvenile raptor, but let me throw something into the discussion anyway - what about juvenile pale phase Wahlberg's?

Neil

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8 years 9 months ago #10459 by Doug
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I thought of that but Raptors of the world shows nothing any where near as streaked as this in any colour phase and any age. Does have a bit of a Whalberg's facial expression though but not much else fits.

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8 years 9 months ago #10460 by Jon
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Juv. Lesser Spotted?

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8 years 9 months ago #10462 by Grey Heron
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This is the best alternative pic I have. All the others look remarkably the same. He sat very still for us. Guys, lets pretend its not a lesser spotted or Walhberg's 'cause I already have them and seeing as I am obsessive compulsive and am determined to get to 300 by the end of this year (I know stand at 232) it would be really nice if you could all agree that its an african hawk eagle, but I leave it in all your capable hands (however if you decide it one of the eagles I already have I can't promise you that this little girl is not going to cry <!-- s:cry: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cry.gif" alt=":cry:" title="Crying or Very sad" /><!-- s:cry: --> )

As for the sandwich, I think you may have hit Elvis on the head with your mouldy cheese sandwich, which then turned him into a crazzzzzy smurf who only eats blurry white and brown birds (I swear everything else was in focus except that brown and white bird and then I took a pic of this strange freak of nature to prove to the world that there is a new species of blurry white and brown birds) <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: -->

I will send a tough (I hope it is as tough as this eagle, I thought I was being silly for not being able to id this raptor) little birdie later tonight <!-- s:twisted: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_twisted.gif" alt=":twisted:" title="Twisted Evil" /><!-- s:twisted: -->

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8 years 9 months ago #10464 by Doug
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If that is the same eagle as the first photo... So much easier with ALL the information

Heavy bill and oval nostril = Tawny or Steppe Eagle.

Tawny due to:
1) Lack of any barring on the tertials which can be seen nocely in this shot
2) Gape to Middle of eye (only useful because this is a side on shot otherwise not a good field characteristic


I am discounting what looks like a pale nape patch which would make it a Steppe as ligthing through the leaves as if it was a Steppe I would want to see notable barring on the tertials which look completely plain except for whitish tips.

I am still not sure these are the same birds. Look at the second. Large amounts of juvenile whit tipping on coverts at folded wing (shoulder) which are not present in the second eagle. I think the first eagle may have to go down as a mystery.

Shoulder of bird 1


Shoulder of bird 2


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8 years 9 months ago #10466 by Dewi Edwards
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Pic. 1- Is this not a juvenile Lesser Spotted Eagle?

Pale streakings on the breast, spots on the wings and paler undertail coverts? Bill and facial expression too "tame" for any of the larger eagles such as Tawny or Steppe.

Pic. 2- looks more like a second winter Lesser Spotted Eagle and not the same bird as in the first photo?

Hope this helps.

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